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12/17/2010 3:02 PM
 
You know what's right about ActiveForums? It's far better than the DNN built in forum IMO. It has much more options. It integrates with it's sister product ActiveSocial and it performs extremely well.

I could on at length about all the good things it can do. But enough people before me and after me can tell you that story.

I have a different and true story I want to tell. Let me tell you what's WRONG with ActiveForums.

In a two words: Will Morgenwreck

Will Morgenwreck is the developer of the ActiveForum software. He is also "well respected" in the DNN community. Or so I've heard and that means many of you will stand up to defend him. I get it. But please just read what I have to say first.

In my opinion, he is slowly choking the product with features that are useful to him but not to the majority of people who need a FORUM software.

To say that ActiveForums is a high-end forum is probably technically correct, but it's really a baby in terms of features compared to more established forum software (albeit non DNN). Things like auto URL detection are fairly recent in AF even though they have been in other forum software going on a decade or more.

And why? Because until Will Morgenwreck decides it's important for him, he generally has little interest in making it.

For example,  in most forum software when you reply to a post that is, say 3 pages deep. You are taken back to the page you responded from. So if you replied on Page 3, you would be returned to page 3.

In ActiveForums (as of this writing) you go back to page 1. The TOP of page 1. So now if you want to continue your reading, you have to navigate back to where you were. And if you decide to engage in another reply in that thread, you get to repeat the process. Most users will stop participating after doing this a few times. It just aint worth it.

Of course I reported this to him in October while the bug was in the beta version. It used to work as expected pre-beta. 

When the beta became a release, it wasn't fixed. Well see most of his threads aren't more than 1 page long. truth is his forums have probably a core active userbase of 10 or less regulars if that. So of course the problem is not one he is keen to fix. It doesn't affect him. He doesn't care and it makes his job easier because not a lot of people are affected by it. Maybe most of his users don't have enough traffic to garner multi-page posts. One user who did report it, was ignored (as of this writing). 

Another example... When I first bought ActiveSocial and AF, there was a nasty bug that would cause an Int16 overflow. I believe this was because he had no opportunity to try it on a site with over 32,767 users (the max value for an Int16). I had well over 100,000 users. This meant that a majority of my users could not even use the features in ActiveSocial. It took him several months to come around and post a fix. I don't know about you guys, but I think thats a serious flaw that should demand an IMMEDIATE fix.

But again, it did not affect his life or his own personal usage of the product. So why should he hurry? Over 70,000 users could not use the product on my site and then I had to field hundreds of support tickets to explain it as a bug  for several months. But hey, no skin off his nose. He got my money already.

If I try to bring up topics and engage him in conversation in email, he tells me to take it the forums on his site. If I do that on the forums, he sets my access to "moderated" so none of my posts appear without his eyes looking at it first AND he has even removed my posts that were non inflammatory but perhaps made him look bad because of my reasoning in any debates at hand. 

For all the good things that ActiveForums brings to the table, the dark spot is the developer himself. Unfortunately I am tied into AF because I chose to build my site around it.

The truth is I want AF to be kick ass as much as anyone. I just disagree with the way Will handles things and feel like he is not open to any criticism or suggestions. And I get frustrated. I can't open a free dialog with him via email. I can't open a free dialog via his web site and I am running out of ideas to get through to him.

So here it is in a nutshell. If you need more than the basic forum software from DNN, then ActiveForums is probably a good thing for you provided you don't expect to be treated like a worthwhile customer and accept that Will knows what you want and need better than you do.

Flame on...

 
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2/28/2011 4:38 PM
 
Wow.. I complain about this a couple months ago and DNNCorp ends up buying the company! I don't know how removed Will is going to be from the product development but hopefully enough that his ego won't get in the way of making this realize it's true potential. Great purchase for the software, hopefully you will show the proper respect to the existing customers whose money, blood , sweat and tears of frustration helped make it into something worthy of your money.
 
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2/28/2011 9:14 PM
 
Greetings Nelson ~

With all due respect, I would encourage you not to make your product criticisms personal.  To do so takes away from the validity of the points you want to make, many of which I believe are very valid.  I would like to be able to have your voice heard for your constructive comments. OK?

This site will ultimately convert to Active Forums also, though not for a little while.  I am looking forward to bringing a very rich set of conversion data to the exercise and expect to see lots of new issues identified and resolved.  The reply paging problem you mention is one I will be particularly interested in seeing addressed as well.  One thing that has always helped with the development of any of our modules is the need for them to address data and site volume issues well.  I'm looking forward to being a customer (and tester) of the Active Modules applications.

All of us are investing daily in the growth, health and enhancement of the DotNetNuke platform, ecosystem and community.  I know your contributions have helped others while also helping you.  And lets all remember the enormous effort that goes into the free application we all enjoy, which is still at the heart of it.  I hope you'll stay engaged as we manage the integration of Active Forums with the community as an open source application.  I honestly believe that you're going to be better served by it.

Cheers,
Scott

Scott Willhite, Co-Founder DNN

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly... what is essential is invisible to the eye. "
~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

 
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2/28/2011 9:48 PM
 
Thank you for taking teh time to respond. I posted my original message many many months ago when in deep frustration at the way Will Morgenwreck did not handle some extremely important issues. Some that up until just last week did not get resolved. Timed nicely with the acquisition I suppose. As a new DNN Corp member, Will M also reflects on DNN Corp. Remember that. It's one thing to be smart and nice to your colleagues, how a man treats his customer is even more telling. To a greater degree I will be interested in the direction that DNNCorp chooses to take the new technology they have acquired. Many of the existing ActiveModules customers have paid a premium to get and maintain the benefits of ActiveModules and if we see that DNNCorp is going to take away those benefits and move them out of Community Edition it will have a very negative impact on the people that supported Will and his modules for many years now. We'll see the test of the man and the corporation in due time I guess.
 
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