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8/29/2006 1:05 AM
 

While the Web Site Project (WSP) model option is the most modern, productive and preferred development environment, the bottom line for the DotNetNuke community is explained in the introduction of this article…

Introduction to Web Application Projects
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnvs05/html/WAP.asp

Note: Web Application Projects do not work with Visual Web Developer Express Edition.

Since the Web Application Project (WAP) is available today and Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 will include WAP and WSP, module developers still have a choice.

It is in the best interest of our community to support as many developers as possible, so until WAP is included in Visual Web Developer Express Edition, DotNetNuke will continue to use the WSP model.

Of course Microsoft reserves the right to further confuse us with a perpetually moving target.

P.S.: I have posted a request and am waiting for an answer here…
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2006/08/16/Tip_2F00_Trick_3A00_-Creating-Sub_2D00_Web-Projects-using-the-VS-2005-Web-Application-Project-Option.aspx

[Update] According to the reply, WAP may be on the way for Q2 in 2007 (about a year from now).

http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2006/05/14/446412.aspx

re: Using LINQ with ASP.NET (Part 1)

Monday, May 15, 2006 3:25 AM by scottgu
Hi Paketim,

We are looking to ship the second half of next year. We will start having full Orcas CTP drops (of all technologies) starting later this summer, and will also have a go-live license of Orcas before the final RTM date. So not too far off now when you can use the above techniques in production.

Hope this helps,

Scott

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8/29/2006 6:54 AM
 

Hi all,

just to add my 2 cents there, I wrote a post a couple of months ago, which I think relates to the same background issues developped in that thread.

Would you guys consider having a look ?

Cheers


Jesse
CTO - Aricie
 
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8/29/2006 8:02 AM
 
Dumping DNN 3 and ASP.NET 1.1 is a bad suggestion.
There are a lot of users that run this platform and have lots of modules that are not upgraded to DNN 4 so we are stuck with DNN 3.
I have modules like portal wizard, active login etc. that use the old users API, and are not upgraded yet and might not be, and UCanUse for DNN 3 that is not compatible with DNN 4_3_4
There are also modules like Sigma Live that still doesnt work well on DNN 3_2_2, and if this version will be dumped it wont get fixed and users running DNN 3 will stay without a way to upgrade and non working modules.
I think that as long as the new DNN version is not working, there should always be some version on the market which is stable for users and companys that dont want to wait 12 months for DNN 4 to get fixed - right now it is DNN 3_2_2.

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8/29/2006 9:31 AM
 
Well, the new membership implementation did not break the API, it did break some underlying functionality. Those modules broke becuase they did not use the API as it should be, those are hacks, wich qualify as a core modification. So it is expected they wouldn't run on later versions.

The fact that there aren't any patches to make em work on the latest versions suggests alot on the quality of those developers. I can only say: "I hope you bought them with the source included"


Ditching .NET1.1 and going fully to generics instead of arraylists WILL introduce breaking changes. To the same magnitude as 2.1.2 => 3.0.13. That's why I hope they introduce them in DNN5, wich should be the next major release (fingers crossed). It's for the greater good of the platform. The code will run much beter if it can use all of .NET2.0 new features. Now the code has to be held back because of 3.x.


This all doesn't mean 3.x will go away, there's still lots of DNN1 and DNN2 sites, snowcovered is still selling modules for them. You can keep using 3.2.2 for the next 15 years if you like. But halting the development of the platform as an incentive for lazy developers to fix a module is something I can not understand or support.

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8/29/2006 9:38 AM
 
Dumping 1.1 for 2.0 is not a good suggestion. There are many sites out there running DNN 3.x that have no clear upgrade path to DNN 4.x, not to mention the custom modules that aren't compatible.

WAP is the prefferred method in my opinion. As far as no WAP support in VS Express? I don't think that should be the deciding factor because if you're serious enough to get into the core code, you shouldn't be using VS Express in the first place, IMO.
 
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