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10/23/2006 9:55 PM
 

As a fellow developer I understand everyone's pain here and I am in complete agreement.  While the notion of "Beggers can't be choosers" may be applicable here due to the fact that this module is free, the problem that I have is that we are left completley in the dark and not sure what direction to take.  I read in these forums a month ago that the new release was coming out any day and this has not happened.

As everyone else in the community I am anxiously awaiting the next release and with no indication of a date (or even knowledge that this module is being actively worked on) it puts many of us in a quandry on whether to abandon ship and look/develop an alternative, or keep holding our breaths hoping to see the next  release.  It also raises some red flags as to the level of commitment in fixing problem if and when the new release comes out.  When dealing with financial transactions one cannot afford to have many bugs.

I fully understand if this project has overwhelmed the team and if the project has been put on hold, I simply request that we be given an honest response and a realistic time frame so we can all take the appropriate action.  I think this module is phenomenal and is certainly worth the continued development efforts, but as everyone has discovered it has several problem in its current version.

Once again, I really appreciate all the hard work that has gone into this module and kindly request some answers to everyones burning question!

 
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10/23/2006 10:32 PM
 

Actually I think I was the one who posted the comment about dog time.

We have been working very hard on the Store module and tried really hard to get the code included in the 4.3.5 release of DotNetNuke. Just as the deadline approached, we there were a few showstoppers that we simply could not workaround in time. At this point, most Gemini issues have been resolved, although we have created some new issues along the way. Here is a overview of what happened just before release...

Solution File Structure

The first serious issue was the simple fact that we had reached the limit of path/file lengths using Visual Studio. Even a stock setup would fail for either the source or installation version. This meant the solution of about 20 projects had to be reorganized into shorter filenames and paths. It only took a few days to make the necessary adjustments to the source including the project structure, libraries and namespaces.

Then it took a few more days to just to get it working again. The provider mechanism was also based on the file locations and now with more providers they all had to be fixed.

Versions

The next real jump was a decision to go ahead with ASP.NET 2.0 development. At one point I was personally working with five different versions of the Module (1.0.0, 1.0.1, 1.1.3, 1.1.4 and a custom version) and it became quite an act to keep it together. When Robert and I discussed the issue we decided to proceed with 1.1.4 (for 4.x/2.0) and would post 1.1.3 (3.x/1.1) version afterwards.

Missing Data

Just as we were about to post to results near the end of September, we noted a few more problems from the initial design. While it might have worked to process a few orders in testing, it would have been a real problem if your order history started losing bill to and ship to addresses. This ID issue also lives in the order details - if you deleted an item, it would disappear from order detail history. This simply could not be released as is.

IPortable

Releasing an upgrade involves existing user data. It is nice to work with an empty Store and demo data, but there may be some people with information that should not be destroyed. Since the new version supports the IPortable interface, you can export and import data for the first time.

Well, you could quite easily with simple categories. As per Gemini, I had introduced a ParentID field to support parent categories and a separate ProductCatagory table to support products under multiple categories. While this works quite well with new data, the data schema breaks the IPortable mechanism.

Should we now scrap the new tables and category functionality, the IPortable interface, or both - just to get it out the door?

Where do we put a warning not to uninstall the Store module or your data will be deleted?

Should we remove the uninstall script for future versions?

Gemini

I have solved and resolved many of the outstanding Gemini issues, and have created just as many new ones as those that have been fixed. My only complaint is that I could not add Gemini issues or update their progress as I was working on the issues.

I’m the low guy on the totem pole so I literally cut & pasted every Gemini issue into my overall work log. Otherwise you could have watched the progress of every issue as it was resolved (or created).

Next Steps

My goal was to have the Store work out of the box.

When I signed up for this I did not intend to go one step forward and two steps back. What I did discover is that the project needed a little more than bodywork before you could really race it on the track. I still believe there are a few fundamental refactoring issues to be resolved before this thing really takes off but I promise you that once it does it will be worth the effort.

Throwing 10 people at the project would not have helped at all. It would have made things much worse especially with the solution reorganization. Someone just needed to sit down and get it done. I never dreamed it would be as much work to get it working again.

Tomorrow

I agree that the updates should be visible on Gemini. I suggest that we get this as close as we can in the shortest time possible and start fresh with Gemini and this release. Once we get past any biggies, there is no reason to prevent the project from being released on a much tighter, regular schedule.

For those who noticed that my posts have slowed recently, I have fractured my thumb and find it a little difficult to type.

Dwayne J. Baldwin
 
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10/30/2006 11:46 PM
 

Dwayne,

Thanks for the update, based on your comments above it sounds like there is a good plan in place.  Any ideas on the time frame for the next release?

 

 

 
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11/4/2006 2:53 AM
 
>>> "We have been working very hard on the Store module and tried really hard to get the code included in the 4.3.5 release of DotNetNuke. Just as the deadline approached, we there were a few showstoppers that we simply could not workaround in time." <<< Does this mean that we will se the new store module in version 4.3.6/3.3.6 ? >>> "Tomorrow I agree that the updates should be visible on Gemini. I suggest that we get this as close as we can in the shortest time possible and start fresh with Gemini and this release. Once we get past any biggies, there is no reason to prevent the project from being released on a much tighter, regular schedule." <<< OK, now almost 2 weeks later nothing had been recorded at Gemini? In most projects you have a timeline for the next release ... do you have that? Or are you just doing "happy go round" and waiting to see when where and how things end up? >>> “Throwing 10 people at the project would not have helped at all.” <<< Well so far it has helped in all the projects I have been involved in! During the past months we have seen that a lot of things/problems comes as a big surprise for you and we have been told about some of the “disasters” but we have not seen anything and I am beginning to wonder if we will se new version of the shop before it has to be reprogrammed because of the release of .NET 3.0 and therefore has to be postponed again :-). Please please please …. Could we have some realistic timeframe for this project?
 
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11/13/2006 7:38 PM
 

Great see some really solid information, thanks!! :)

Any eta on when we can get a build, even if it is not part of the main code tree, I'd be happy to work with and install code myself.

 
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