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5/28/2011 4:47 PM
 
Back in February and March, I had an extended conversation on this forum (thanks again for the help, Bill Severance!) when I tried and failed to upgrade my DNN 4.9.5 site to DNN 5.6.1.  Here's the link:

http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Resources/Forums/tabid/795/forumid/107/threadid/409123/scope/posts/threadpage/1/Default.aspx

I was about to try the upgrade again, when I double checked our web setup and discovered two things:

1. Our account, a legacy account, only has ASP.NET 2.0.  It doesn't have ASP.NET 3.5.1 available.  (We're also on IIS 6 and SQL Server 2005.)
2. DNN 5.2 and later require ASP.NET 3.5 SP1. 

I thought in March that my upgrade failed because I didn't have the service pack.  I now wonder if my upgrade failed because I didn't have ASP.NET 3.5 at all, service pack or no.  I think this is the case, but can anyone confirm definitely that DNN 5.6.x would not run on a site that only had ASP.NET 2.0?  This is quite important because if it's true, we probably have to upgrade our hosting contract and pay out more money.  We're an arts non-profit and money is tight these days.

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5/29/2011 7:00 AM
 
It definitely needs ASP.NET 3.5 sp1 or it simply will not function.

 --- BUT having said this - how are you determining that 3.5sp1 is NOT installed.
IIS will not show anything other than 2.0 being available since 3.0 and 3.5 and 3.5sp1 are all really treated like service packs by IIS.
Its only with the jump to 4.0 that the newer versions of IIS actually differentiate.

It does seem very odd that any server would NOT have 3.5sp1 installed it was delivered as part of the standard free windows update packages.

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5/29/2011 11:17 AM
 
Well, Wes, I'm not sure.  I'm a reasonably competent DNN admin these days, but my knowledge of the middleware is very limited.  Frankly, my information on what's available to our production account comes from the tech support guy at ServerIntellect.  Discussing the upgrade, I looked at my own doc on the account and saw that it said, ASP.NET 2.0.  So I asked him about it and he confirmed, yes, you only have 2.0 because you are a legacy shared hosting account.  They are pushing us to upgrade to their "public cloud" hosting, which has everything but will cost more. 

Can they limit what a single shared hosting account on a server can access?  February's mess happened because I tried to upgrade on a server on which they HAD NOT applied the SP1 - they told me at the time that it would "break the older stuff" that was running on the server.  Which could even be true.  The techie confirmed yesterday that they HAD moved us to a server where SP1 was applied to ASP.NET 2.0 - and then suggested that it wasn't available to our legacy account, that only 2.0 was available.  This is a shared account - if 3.5 SP1 is on the server shouldn't we be able to access it??  I should probably be asking them this, since what you say suggests that if 3.5 SP1 is on my server, I should be able to use it.

As for things which are delivered as part of the standard free windows update packages - the shop I used to work in didn't always install all the standard free windows update packages either, or at least not right away, precisely because of the amount of neanderthal legacy code they had lurking in corners...

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5/29/2011 11:48 AM
 
All sounds way to hard to me - life was meant to be easy - I cant make the point more strongly these days - host with a company that understands the content management system your site depends on.

There are a number of very good DNN hosting companies around who are dedicated to hosting DNN.  When you host with them they expect you will be running dnn and have systems that are set up optimally for DNN.

Many like PowerDNN even ofter to do the port for you from your old host for free as part of the migration process.

Honestly - go check out a few and move - your life will be so much easier - ive seen some as low as 4.95 a month.

Me personally - I prefer to spend a little more from peace of mind $20 a month - its hard to go past www.powerdnn.com
We moved a client last week from their old host with the entire move taking a matter of hours - domain delegations included.

Oh and as an aside - I would avoid cloud hosting with DNN unless you are with a host that understands DNN very well - cloud is a nice buzz word but with complicated application frameworks - unless the cloud and the framework are optimized to work with each other - you can wind up with all sorts of issues.

With regard to your existing host - sounds more like they are in the earn as much as we can for a little work as possible category.  
Bottom line with DNN - it is a highly complex system that has been optimized to operate with the use of the latest microsoft technologies 
You want to be running on a modern server running iis 7 and sql 2008.

As for what can and cant be done - if asp.net 3.5 or 4.0 is installed on a server ALL web hostings on that server would have access to it.
As for all this talk of sp1 and what not ... there seems to be a lot of talk at cross purposes.

ASP.NET 3.5 SP1  refers to the version number of asp.net that is installed on a server. There is no such thing as a sp1 being applied to asp.net 2.0 - thats just nonsense talk. The server will either have asp.net 2.0  OR  asp.net 3.5   OR  asp.net 3.5 SP1 ( which means the service pack patch for 3.5)

Instead its more likely he is talking about the SERVER operating system and which operating system service packs etc are installed on said server.

Either way - bite the bullet and MOVE 
 
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5/29/2011 12:47 PM
 
You obviously like PowerDNN as a host company!  I'll take a look at what they offer; it's clear to me that ServerIntellect hasn't got a clue about managing DNN, one of the reasons my failed install in Feb. took a week to repair is that they initially "backed off" the upgrade by copying the backups over the disk files and the database without clearing either out first!  If they are as cheap as you say and will move us for free they may be worth doing; the only issue is that we don't pay them month to month, we pay a year at a time, and we're paid through early October.  Us arts non-profits have to watch the pennies...

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