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10/23/2014 7:00 PM
 
I should have mentioned that if someone has a solution they can submit a pull request (http://www.dnnsoftware.com/wiki/page/...) - as that reduces our level of effort to just QA and documentation, we merge those changes ASAP.

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10/23/2014 7:47 PM
 
cathal connolly wrote:

Version numbers are how we have always worked...This has been the process we have used for 10+ years. 

I'm familiar with process, but surely you understand that means squat to the non-developer client. So will you venture a guess at a date?

As to why the feature doesn't work, it's a relatively rarely used feature so hasn't been logged before. The breaking change was introduced in 7.1.0 which came out on July 9th 2013, but the bug was not logged until Aug 27th 2014, more than a year later.

So, what are you saying... that only commonly used features are regression tested?
 
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10/23/2014 8:13 PM
 
cathal connolly wrote:
I should have mentioned that if someone has a solution they can submit a pull request (http://www.dnnsoftware.com/wiki/page/...) - as that reduces our level of effort to just QA and documentation, we merge those changes ASAP.

It may not be apparent based on my reaction to this particular issue, but I'm a strong advocate for DNN and its hybrid profit/nonprofit open source model, that has evolved over that last decade+. However, I generally can't bring my self to fix what some else broke at my own expense.

BUT... I'm willing to consider it if someone can provide info on whats wrong with the code. If you know definitively that it worked prior to 7.1 surely someone also has a pretty good guess what the problem is. Who was closest to the change?

 
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10/24/2014 12:08 PM
 
James Hall wrote:
cathal connolly wrote:

Version numbers are how we have always worked...This has been the process we have used for 10+ years. 

I'm familiar with process, but surely you understand that means squat to the non-developer client. So will you venture a guess at a date?

As to why the feature doesn't work, it's a relatively rarely used feature so hasn't been logged before. The breaking change was introduced in 7.1.0 which came out on July 9th 2013, but the bug was not logged until Aug 27th 2014, more than a year later.

So, what are you saying... that only commonly used features are regression tested?

Sorry if it wasn't clear, as a developer I work on the release, the date and scope of the release is set by the program manager. When those are set, the details are forwarded to the community team who keep the public roadmap up to date http://www.dnnsoftware.com/community/...

As to testing, we have a huge amount of tests. Some of these are automated regression test which occur each night - these target areas of the code that we can test via unit tests. However there are various areas of code we cannot test well with unit tests primarily as they contain dependencies on httpcontext and cannot be mocked well - whilst some of this is code within our control, others are in 3rd party dependencies such as the Microsoft memberrole provider (which underpins much of the login/membership logic such as Q&A password resets). As such we have separate tests for those, both automated webtests and manual tests that QA run through with their regression - these are always growing but it's challenging to test every single function that DNN supports.

Note: we hope in future to move to a more modern membership architecture that is easier to extend and support non-web scenarios (e.g. OAuth for mobile clients) - we will also ensure this is unit-testable so that any breaking changes are picked up on the nightly builds


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10/24/2014 12:12 PM
 
James Hall wrote:
cathal connolly wrote:
I should have mentioned that if someone has a solution they can submit a pull request (http://www.dnnsoftware.com/wiki/page/...) - as that reduces our level of effort to just QA and documentation, we merge those changes ASAP.

It may not be apparent based on my reaction to this particular issue, but I'm a strong advocate for DNN and its hybrid profit/nonprofit open source model, that has evolved over that last decade+. However, I generally can't bring my self to fix what some else broke at my own expense.

BUT... I'm willing to consider it if someone can provide info on whats wrong with the code. If you know definitively that it worked prior to 7.1 surely someone also has a pretty good guess what the problem is. Who was closest to the change?

 I haven't had a chance to look into this, but the issue is likely to be based on the change of password format. Prior to 7.1.0 the default format was encryption, from 7.1.0 on the default is hashing. The main difference here is that hashing is a 1 way operation, so passwords cannot be determined (meaning any GetPassword(user) logic fails)- this meant that some pieces of functionality had to be changed e.g. the old change password function didn't work as it requires the user to enter the "old" and "new" passwords, but as the system could not read the "old" password, this did not work. We worked around this with the password reset logic. I suspect Q&A may be something similar i.e. somewhere in there it may contain some GetPassword(user) logic, but have not had time to look into this. It may even be that Q&A cannot work in a hashed environment and that we have to add code to determine if hashing is used and disable this function, but until I get some time (or someone else gets time) I cant say for sure.


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