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8/28/2009 5:11 AM
 
I bought a skin the other day

To my surprise, regardless of clams that it was W3C compliant (which I guess it was sort of - transitional, although ExpressionWeb didn't agree), it was full of Tables to get the structure correct.

Sure there were a few more DIVS than previous skins I have bought and these generally wrapped around the tables, but still, tables tables tables.

I thought DNN had moved on from that now?

Guess I was wrong. Has anyone yet had any luck making a good quality Skin without ANY tables?

Cheers.
 
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8/28/2009 8:41 AM
 

Check out the yaml tutorial.   http://yaml.dnn.ch/

 
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8/28/2009 12:17 PM
 

First, W3C compliance does not mean tableless. Even though it's not 'preffered' I still find myself forced to use tables on some designs just to keep costs down for the client. That may not make much sense right away, I know I fought against it for quite some time but I was finally browbeat by a particualrly complex design that would just...not...work and be consistant across all browsers.  I spent many, many, many hours addressing little quirks here and there, setting up multiple stylesheet and still wound up with problems popping up whenever I added a new 3rd party module.  Long story short - for a project that was quoted for X hours, I wound up spending 3*X just trying to make the skin 'pure' div/span (mainly to prove a point to a colleague). In the end, we agreed that while it CAN be done, there is more time involved in fully qualifying such a design, especially with evolving 'standards' and browser adoption rates.

From a coder point of view, yes they're more ideal. From a business-for-profit or designer point of view, not worth the hassle at times.

I will say that YAML shows potential, but I have had some minor issues implementing it, as well as the fact that ,to me, a huge bonus of using a DIV/Span layout is its simplicity and lack of extraneous code. Well, most the YAML output has hardly been 'light', but you do need to make some sacrifices for certain functionality.

Finally, let me leave you with a couple links I've come across in relation to this argument:

http://www.giveupandusetables.com/ - My sysadmin forwarded this to me as a joke

http://www.zazzle.com/css_is_awesome_mug-168716435071981928 - Just an awesome mug for the CSS junkies out there.

 


Wells Doty Jr
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8/29/2009 5:55 PM
 

*JDR* wrote
I thought DNN had moved on from that now?
Guess I was wrong. Has anyone yet had any luck making a good quality Skin without ANY tables?

Creating a tableless skin is as difficult as creating a "regular" tableless XHTML page.
DNN does not limit you in doing so, it's just that some commercial skinners don't really care.
(I think most clients don't care either BTW)

 
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9/1/2009 3:46 PM
 

*JDR* wrote
I bought a skin the other day

And that's where the problem lies, not with DNN or the development community, but with a single skin by a single developer.  We may have moved on, and even the developer of that skin may have, but that one single skin didn't fit your idea of what compliance should be.

Have you tried to develop a table-less skin?  It can be done, especially using some of the grid technology like YUI or 960, but it may not be easy to render a specific design.  It also may not be W3C compliant.  :)

Jeff

 
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