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3/25/2009 11:32 AM
 

 

I’m glad that that this discussion has generated such reaction. And after reading Nina’s article I gained a lot of fundamental information that would be very useful in future projects.

Fairness is one of my personal characteristics therefore I need to recognise here that DNN has its own place in the market, and offers many functionalities that if used correctly can be very useful and help to leverage an organizational productivity efficiently.

I also would like to recognise that DNN (4.x) if implemented correctly is a stable and robust solution, but I also need to  say, that at least to me, the lack of up to date documentation and the usability of the DNN homepage aren’t that great, what  make peoples life a bit of nightmare.

In conclusion, after reading Nina’s article, in my next project I would make a proper evaluation to define the requirements as accurately as possible to choose the appropriate solution.

Thank you all,

Carlos

 

 
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3/25/2009 11:37 AM
 


I have been running DNN sites for years and now have over 100 sites with tens of thousands of users. The platform is stable and I agree that modules from Ventrian and Active Modules are some of the best (I use both).

That said, I hope DNN Corp takes notice of the expectations of the marketplace around core modules. The core modules have been neglected too long and relegated to 2nd class in the DNN world. DNN must make a choice: It's either a programmer's framework or it's a full featured CMS built on a programmer's framework. What we have today is a great programmer's framework with sort of supported core modules. The Corp must put the same time and focus on the core modules as the core itself and no module should be released until it's a solid product.

Imagine buying MS Word and Microsoft says "Well the spell checker tool is an add-in that works most of the time but it's supported by a separate team and they will fix it when they get around to it...maybe by 2010 or so..who knows?". Some core modules are supported that way.

I want to thank the core module leads and volunteer teams as this is no way a slight to them. It's directed at DNN Corp to give those volunteers the support they need (e.g. on staff programmers to support the core module projects, fast review, etc).
 

 
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3/25/2009 1:15 PM
 

I just read Nina's blog post too.  She is saying exactly what I was getting at in my post.  I don't know where you find the time to write so much Nina... maybe I need to get my kids programming!  My advice for what it is worth is to get to know whatever framework you choose and know it well.  Being a small business, I leach off people more capable than me.  If I had not given DNN the third look and kept programming my own crap, I would be out of business today. 

A few years ago, if my client asked me to allow comments on their articles, I would have been programming and debugging for 2-weeks and once the SQL injection attacks started to happen I would have spent 2-weeks enabling Captchas and cleaning data tables.  Now that I have nearly everyone on DNN, the same request would take me minutes to achieve and I wind up looking like a hero. DNN is robust and secure and if a hole is found, it is soon patched.  I am Canadian and I had a client ask for a French/English site.  I don't even speak French yet I was able to deliver without programming.

 
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3/25/2009 6:55 PM
 

@Mike & @gudz - thanks for the favourable comments - I have had to refrain from posting here on DNN as it's been indicated very clearly by the DNN Corp in posts just recently I genuinely feel my comments presence are not welcome - so I'll be posting more on my sites because the last thing I want to is to have my posts deleted, as some have been in the past.  

@Mike - in reference to my ability to type.. I didn't have such a good childhood. In fact, it's taken me until I was 40 to get over some of the 'complications' that parents can bring into their childrens lives, whether on purpose or simply through ignorance. I spent alot of time on my own and not allowed see friends or have much association with anyone, but I was given a typewriter - one of those old remington portalbe ones with the big round keys, and I would clack away for hours and hours and hours.  It's how I taught myself to type, so before I was 13 I could type close to 100 words a minute.  *sigh* doesn't that tell you how boring summer holidays were.  Anyway- the point is - I can type almost as fast as I think, so it doesn't take me hours and hours. I do it notepad now - due to the infamous forum time outs, and I try to put myself into the thinking of the person asking the question. Answer questions at their level, without intimidation of where they are because everyone has to start somewhere.

I know they are longer than usual - but if I can help a few people gain confidence in using DNN, then I've helped the project in my own way because I've been put in place good and proper by the some people involved in this project as to my 'uselesness' because of my so called popularity and I contribute nothing of any significant value, because I don't write any code. I am trying to do what I can with the resources I have and I love this project. I probably would love it alot more if I wasn't so disliked and stalked by some on the DNN corp with my comments, but at the very least, it does sometimes bring about a response in many cases. 

Having said that - I really am so appreciative of your comments here and how it did articulate in a little more details what was trying to be said here.  I have so many things about DNN I'd love to share, but honestly I really did get to the point of wondering if anyone really wanted to know, and so I try to answer questions that are directed at decision making because virtually every problem when it comes to making decisions on things is something we all come across and I think people get scared that if you say something that may appear negative, that you are trying to discredit and it could not be any further from the truth.  

I feel nothing is perfect, but enough clear information provided gives everyone the ability to have 'choices' and that in my opinion is the greatest power you can bestow upon any person.  

Anyway - thanks very much for your responses. It means more to me than you know at this point in time.

Nina


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3/26/2009 12:55 PM
 

It should be clear from the contents of this thread that, in fact, we do very little "moderation" in our forums.  We very purposefully permit almost every voice and every comment to be heard, hoping that the high road will eventually lead to a better place.  Alas, that is not always the way that it works out.

New and/or struggling users get a free pass... we're supposed to be able to hear their frustration and help them out.  That's what these forums were established for.

But the "seasoned" community members?  Some of you should be embarrassed.  All of you should change. Even those of you who are typically kind and helpful to those who need it (with our appreciation) are entirely too accepting of falsehood and misdirection; too quick to assign blame; too slow to exhort those who need it and help keep the forums a helpful place ruled by those who actually exhibit "community" rather than chaos. 

There is no need for me to name names, you will name yourself (team and community members alike)... but for those of you who foster chaos... shame on you.  Put away your pettiness.  Put away your self-interest in the name of "being honest" that conveniently draws an occasional customer to your business at the expense of everyone else.  Put away your self-absorbed quickness to get snippy or assume the worst of people; put away your self-righteousness or feigned false mistreatment; put away your misdirection and deceit.  Those who come here for help deserve better.

After all that... come back.  But come back changed.

We want everyone here.  We really do.  For anyone that may feel spoken to by these words, we really do recognize your worth... your POTENTIAL.  We will do as we have always done which is our very best to help make this world a little better place, even if only through the gift of constantly improving software and support of a community that leverages it to good and helpful purposes.


Scott Willhite, Co-Founder DNN

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly... what is essential is invisible to the eye. "
~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

 
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