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12/11/2009 4:08 PM
 

whilst the notion of charging is often mooted there are very good reasons for this not being an option - not least, it was tried right at the very start with spectacular failure. It comes up from time to time, but typically because people aren't aware that it was tried e.g. heres it popping up 4 years ago with reference to the original abortive efforts http://forums.asp.net/p/948570/1157402.aspx

As that post mentions we also tried to make financial support optional, but with some additional benefits i.e. access to private forum monitored by core team, avatar, dotnetnuke "adsense" style adverts - you can read them @ http://www.dotnetnuke.com/tabid/938/default.aspx . Whilst the revenue that came in from that program was vital to keep the infrastructure running, it was still small with only a small portion of people paying (there was an additional benefactors program which also had limited success). Whilst we'd all like to think the best of people and assume that anyone using dotnetnuke (or even those using it in a business capacity) would be willing to pay something towards it's survival, time and again this was proven to not be true - and this is the case with any other opensource project I've seen.

This reality often means that projects collapse under their own weight, as money is too tight and things stop getting done - it's easy to find a volunteer to write a cool new feature, not quite as easy to find people willing to upgrade servers at 3am on a sunday night. As such many succesful projects create a commercial entity and try to generate money, and use that to underwrite the contined success of the OS project. How they choose to do this is up to them, and their company will rise or fail based on their business plan (which trust me, will change quickly if the company starts to fail).

I'm also continually surprised when people list other OSS projects and seem to suggest that they get by without funding/commercial entities - if you do some googling you'll find most of the bignames also have vc funding or else sponsors with very deep pockets

Wordpress - hosting is interesting, but is typical a low margin, high volume case. As wordpress runs on linux using mysql, they have limited capital costs so can afford to giveaway hosting and make money on upsells . This is not an option for an asp.net CMS that requires windows and sql server licenceing. (Note: the $29.5 million they raised from VC's helps buy those servers - http://gigaom.com/2008/01/22/wordpresscom-creator-raises-29m/)

Drupal - their commerical entity , acquia, raised $7million (http://raincitystudios.com/blog/acquia,-newest-drupal-startup,-announces-$7m-funding) - currently they provide support , network services and additional documentation similar to how PE does.

Cathal

 


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12/11/2009 5:24 PM
 

Results of CMS Market Share Reports


You can read this report in different ways but let’s assume that you don’t know about DNN you maybe get the impression that DNN is a CMS that is not the one you should go for in 2010.


That’s not so god but let’s face it. Under the hood DNN is much better than the result shows.


But if you are a little self critic you have to face the fact that not so much have happed in the last years visible for the first time user.
In fact a lot of things have gone from good to bad.
Let’s take some examples. The support for localization is not so good in 5.x  as it was in the end of the 3.x era.
Core modules does not exist anymore and the release cycle for the modules is years not months. Today the documentation is bad but in the era of release 3 it was good or at least better.


If you further and compare yesterday’s DNN with yesterday’s completion and DNN today with the completion you will find that an essential “displacement of power” has taken place.
I am now talking about the first impression, we all know that with third party products we can make DNN as attractive as other systems but I think this is not enough. The first impression is the most important impression.


The introduction of the PE versions has not yet shown a development that is faster and better, I must say until now just the opposite. I hope the future will show different.

I understand the difficulties the Corp have had but I am not sure if they can turn the ship around, and I hope they do the balancing PE/CE right.


And I must end.  I had never let the 5.2 cache showstopper bug wait more than hours to be fixed if I was interested in the international market.

 
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12/11/2009 6:18 PM
 

Offer hosting for a price. I wasn't suggesting to offer for free. There are lots of Windows hosting out there and they all support SQL Server and they are making a good profit. Plus there are the DNN hosts and I think they are doing OK.

Would BizSpark or WebSpark programs help where you don't have to pay for 3 years? Or the DNN corp gets sponsorships and discounts from Microsoft because DNN is the biggest ASP.NET open source project and that can promote its technologies. That's one goal of BizSpark to get more developers and users use uts technologoies.

A powerful server can host hundreds or even thousands of DNN sites. I am going to do a rough calcualtion. A powerful server can host 500 DNN sites. Single DNN installation. Windows and SQL Server standard license about $6000. Hosting per month is $10. So revenue is $5000 per server. In less than two months, the licneses are paid for. After that it should be similar to LAMP sites is terms of monthly costs. WordPress is hosting tens or hundreds of thousands of sites for free so they must have a lot of servers which they had to pay for. Why would they get $29.5 in funding when a big part of their business model is free hosting while DNN if they went with paid only hosting is not feasible? The license costs like I said will be for paid in 2 months. Or yo can amortize the costs over several months. There's also the web edition of SQL Server where you can pay a monthly fee. I think it's $15/month.

I am not seeing why Windows hosting is not profitable.

 

 
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