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6/22/2010 12:07 PM
 
Joe Brinkman wrote:
The concept sounds intriguing but without seeing software in action it is hard for someone to envision how to use it, much less whether it is worth the cost. 

 Yes, Joe. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

These are early days. I demonstrate the Yala in action to suitable customers, of course, and I would be delighted to demonstrate the Yala (via webex, gotomeeting, skype, one of those) to DNN Corp employees and core team. With time for question and answers, you should probably allow one and a half to two hours. If there is a vestige of truth in my claims then it should be time well spent for you. I do appreciate this interest and would welcome your thoughts on how to promote it.

When you know more about the Yala I am sure you will understand why, at this stage, we are seeking the imaginative early adopter who faces a difficult problem rather than the curious webmaster who is looking for a novelty to spice up a tired site.

As for “worth the cost”, so far the reaction from the Corporations who have seen it has been that it is far too cheap to be credible: “surely you must mean €995 per seat (User) not per Yala?”


Geoffrey Morton-Haworth www.yalaworld.net
 
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6/22/2010 12:13 PM
 
John Mitchell wrote:
Nice job on the video. You almost lost me with the long stretch of the inner city world cup though. I would shorten that part if possible.

The concept does sound intriguing. Is it built exclusively for DotNetNuke?

As Joe mentioned, it would be interesting to see it in practical use. Especially with DotNetNuke as the center of discussion.
Thanks for the feedback. I have asked my son (who shot the football section) for a shorter edit.

Yes. The Yala is exclusively for DotNetNuke and sticks closely to the API. I know of nothing else like it in any other form, anywhere.

I have offered an online demo to Joe (above) and you would be most welcome to dial into that.

I am more than happy to present the practical uses of the Yala to people who have the need for one.  However, most of these will find details of the technology a turn off. I am obviously not keen to publish screenshots, partly because taken out of context they are no more earth shattering than screenshots of, say, the early spreadsheet, but chiefly because I don’t want developers with no interest whatsoever in using the Yala dashing off and reinventing it on some other platform like Joomla or Drupal.  I do not think DotNetNuke people want that either.

However, the comparison with VisiCalc is not as frivolous as Rob (who I will reply to next) suggests. I have a background in maths and engineering, and had been using financial modelling software for ten years before I encountered VisiCalc. Spelling out all those read and write statements was a pain. In general, you were never going to make accounting so easy that you could turn technologists into accountants. What VisiCalc did that was revolutionary (and largely explains its meteoric rise) was make the technology so much friendlier (no need to bother with input and output formats) that accountants, the people who knew the application, could master the software.  Creative sparks really start to fly when knowledge of technology and knowledge of application are in the same brain!

If DotNetNuke aspires to the role of web application platform, we really do need to discuss how to make its core features still more accessible to the less technical user.


Geoffrey Morton-Haworth www.yalaworld.net
 
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6/22/2010 12:21 PM
 
ROBAX wrote:

Call me a cynic, but I just sat through a 30 minute exercise in pure marketing with absolutely zero substance.

It starts off by placing the product amongst the major players... "Yeah we're just like Google and all them". Then it tells the required underdog-succeeds story of something else (visicalc) that wasn't understood "Just like us" but became successful "Just like we will", and then just goes on about how great knowledge, learning and communication is... who would deny that?... it's all good, and the video has plenty of examples of this.

But what has it got to do with Yala. The video implies everything, but demonstrates nothing. The last time I saw a DNN module marketed like this, it turned out to be a forum. Perhaps I'm recalling Yala 1.0

It's also quite droll to hear the fine British gentleman read from a script containing quotes such as "..bring these high-falutin' concepts", "It may sound very flaky" and finally "What's all this crap".

Great bit of marketing, but this is a DNN forum... show us the module please.
Rob

Hi Rob

Scepticism is healthy, so do not apologise for it.

I was taught that a thumbnail definition of marketing is “identifying and satisfying a customer need, and making a profit doing it.” I do not see what is so wrong about that.

As for no substance, well maybe you dismiss complexity science and applied social psychology as lacking in substance.  Here is Tom Malone saying some of the same stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI2zusRlKBs

Moreover because this talk is pithy people do pooh-pooh it as New Age drivelling. Therefore, here is John Chambers on his hind legs as another illustration of the contexts in which a Yala makes sense.

http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/619

As I explained to John Mitchell, VisiCalc did not make accounting so easy that the technocrats could understand it; it made the technology so easy that the accountants could use it. The Yala tools are as basic and simple as I could make them – and if your criteria for judgement are complexity of screens and cunning use of Ajax you will be underwhelmed.

By the way, this is how VisiCalc was received:

“VisiCalc was announced to the public at the National Computer Conference in New York City in June of 1979. Bob Frankston delivered a paper at the personal computer part of the conference (a small event in a hotel near the main show floor) describing the new program he had just written. In hindsight, it was a great paper. However, it wasn't the well received announcement you might expect. Lots of our relatives and our publishers attended. Almost nobody else cared. There were 20 friends and family and 2 ‘real’ attendees, but as Bob recalls the two people we didn't know walked out early probably because it wasn't like the talk about the undocumented opcodes of the TI-59 calculator (a hot topic in those days).”

You fault me for starting by quoting Google, YouTube, and so on as examples of web applications. Should I have used examples that people are less likely to have heard of?

Wrong, the Yala is not a forum – who needs another one of those.

Sorry, I cannot help the British accent and the American idiom. You would accuse me of a superiority gambit if used the right terms: discourse ethics, social constructionism, homeostasis. See what I mean.

One of the roots of the Yala is work I did for BP (yes the same BP) over ten years ago. They wanted an online resource to aid their people who were managing strategic relationships. I had fathered a site for my company called the Build Quality in Toolkit and BP sought my advice on the suitability of similar tools for their needs.

BP was tending to think of its business more and more as a portfolio of strategic relationships than a portfolio of business units. For example, if it outsourced its fleet of oil tankers then it created a strategic relationship/partnership with the shipping companies that now provided those transport services.

In particular, BP had recently grown through mergers with Amoco and Arco and wanted to inject fresh ideas into the work of its refineries.

At the heart of such operations lies Linear Programming. This mathematical technique seeks to optimize the economics of an oil refinery.  It balances the output of the ethylene crackers (those tall thin reactor vessels that tower over refineries like spaceships on the launch pad), and the output of any downstream chemical plant, against the supplies of crude oil and the demands for refined products and chemicals.  This technical activity has remained unchanged for a number of years. Every company approaches it slightly differently and each refinery believes they get it more or less right.

BP had decided to outsource this key activity in the hope that outsiders would bring a new focus and, one day perhaps, pave the way to balancing supply and demand not for each refinery separately but for the network of refineries as a whole.

As the deal came into effect the single relationship between the outsourcing company and the oil company’s procurement team had to roll out to two dozen refineries across the world, each an interface where the new arrangement must work.

It was this complex relationship, and the experience of what worked well and what did not work at all, that set me thinking about interfaces, aims, issues and views.

The importance of the success of such strategic partnerships could not be more vividly demonstrated than by what is happening in the Gulf today.

You might say that this is a very poor recommendation for the Yala; on the contrary, the Yala incorporates the most powerful learning experiences. Where BP was going wrong, even ten years ago, was that the leadership (whatever it said) imitated the commitment-oriented style of Jack Welch, which makes it very hard to own up when things go wrong.

If you want to manage the unexpected, you have to increase collective mindfulness. Engage brains, if you like. There is a great deal known about this, too, but I expect you would just dismiss it as flim-flam.

I am eager to show the Yala modules to people who face such problems, do you?


Geoffrey Morton-Haworth www.yalaworld.net
 
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6/22/2010 12:29 PM
 
Greg Brown wrote:
Similar to the "I'm Filthy Rich" iphone app that does nothing but costs $5000.00??? Most the site told me was that it is 14 extensions for DNN. Wow, sign me up - I'll figure out what it really is after I pay!

Hi Greg

Many thanks for another perfect illustration of the “What is all this crap?!” reaction (watch the video to see what I mean).


Geoffrey Morton-Haworth www.yalaworld.net
 
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6/22/2010 5:43 PM
 
Geoff, please.... Do us all a favor. I've been around people who have played this game before and you fit the profile to a T.

You have this "amazing product", it's going to revolutionize the world, but somehow you can't seem to just show it and let it speak for itself. Then, if anyone questions your actions, you act is if they violated some sacred unwritten law and now you have justification as to why you won't show them what you have.

It's a nice game, but seriously you need to play it with someone else. Anyone who is involved in Social Media knows there is an abundance of really good tools out there and what makes a Social Networking site special is more than just the tools used to create it.
 
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