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10/19/2005 3:58 PM
 

I have been doing some digging in the General forums about the TTT Authentication module and found this thread.

http://forums.asp.net/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&PostID=1020196#1020196

 The summary of which is TTT Authentication stores the AD user’s password in the DNN DB.  I am not sure that you’re using TTT Authentication as the starting block for the AD module (but being Tam is the lead I bet you are).

The question/concern is.  Is this really needed?  I can see why as an “add on” it would be easier to do this, but now that AD is going to be in the core are there plans to change this?

I would prefer to not have my users passwords stored outside of LDAP/AD.

 
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10/20/2005 12:51 AM
 
You raise a valid point from a security point of view. It also raises the question of what happens if the AD is setup to force users to change their passwords every X months. We run a printing application at work that also authenticates initially to the AD but unfortunately the developers didn't consider the password change enforcement that's used (the majority of their clients aren't on AD yet).
 
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10/20/2005 12:08 PM
 

I would tend to concur, store this sensitive data in one place only. 

But....what about when operating in mixed mode?  What about when the user is outside the firewall?  What about when the portal server is up, but the AD servers are down?

Perhaps this should be an administrative option, with the explaination that without it, some circumstances might keep a user from accessing the portal--possibly with nothing wrong at the portal.

 
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10/21/2005 2:02 PM
 

RLyda wrote

But....what about when operating in mixed mode?


If you register a users in the DNN DB they enter a password when they create there account, that's fine.  What I am talking about is the process of automatically crating the account when an AD user logs in.  All you have to do is inform the system that this account is an AD account and to get the password from LDAP.

What about when the user is outside the firewall? 

You can still use any method of authentication you like, as long as they can see the portal, the firewall will have no impact on this.  (Being the Portal is behind the firewall and it's responsible for talking to LDAP)

What about when the portal server is up, but the AD servers are down?

If AD/LDAP is down, sorry to say, but you don't have a network…  If someone is in a place where there AD servers can go off-line, they need to except that possibly, reevaluate there network configuration, or not use LDAP authentication for there portal.

I know some smaller networks don’t have the budget to setup AD the way Microsoft ™ recommends, but in a case like that the portal being up is going to be your users last complaint, and the last thing you need to be concerned with.

I don't mean to be a jerk about this, but having a poor security model because of someone else’s lack of planning and/or poor network design doesn’t fly with me.

 
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10/21/2005 2:15 PM
 
You're thinking too small....think DMZ!  My Internet boxes had better NOT be on the primary LAN!  So, yes, the internal LAN could be down (or simply inaccesible because of DMZ-LAN firewall issues) and my portal host still be humming along...
 
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