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11/18/2007 3:19 AM
 

Erik van Ballegoij wrote

ATM the snowcovered count for DNN 4 modules is 2319. For a framework that is more popular by other counts, the number of commercial addons is far less than those for DNN. My hunch is that that is because of the license....

Is that counting the "Host Reset" button for $1 and Mandeep's mislisted skin for $.99? :)

 

 
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11/19/2007 5:04 AM
 
Great thread! Dealing with my costumers (and you should always listen to your costumer) the two big reasons for using DNN is .Net (incl. its professional Dev. Environment) and the BSD-License. Because when dealing with open source software in (German) companies, there will always be a guy concerning about licensing issues.  And the BSD-like DNN-License is the best answer to all this worries.  
Also in my eyes when discussing about portals and frameworks, people shouldn’t forget about the target group. Joomla is a nice, quick (,…) cms. However it’s NOT a web app framework. In my opinion, DNN fits to a much bigger target group; however it can be more difficult to start dealing with it. So, as we say in German, comparing DNN and Joomla is like “comparing apples and pears” (comparing apples and oranges).
 
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12/8/2007 10:29 PM
 
I must say this post is very interesting. What I find the most interesting is the number of DNN user who like Joomla because of the out of the box prettiness. For the past month I have been playing with different CMS solutions. So far my favorite has been DNN. Now my boss thinks DNN lacks in comparison to Joomla.  Mainly in the extension area and the prettiness. Joomla does have a lot of great things and add-ons to offer. It impresses me with the amount of extensions out there, but what I have found funny is difference between Joomla 1.0.X and Joomla 1.5. To be honest 1.5 works great out the box, but just try adding something to it. You most likely have to enable legacy support. That right away tells me that most extensions that “ARE” compatible are really just an extension of 1.0.X and not native to 1.5. I found it funny that when I did a search on their website in their forums for help on LDAP and it turned up 16 pages. If you click on page 2 you got page not found. Their ACL’s is poor and so is their posting content. Now this is really my opinion, but one of the nicest features of DNN is how a user posts content and their ACL. Joomla has extensions that offer help with ACL, but it doesn’t beat DNN. I have posted several questions and have read many postings on Joomla’s site to only end up in a dead end. Briefly knowing Joomla’s history, I have found better success in 1.0.X then 1.5. I’m not sure but I believe it is due to the fact that is based off of mambo. 1.5 is really the first independent release of Joomla and my experience has been horrible with it. In several posts I read that in Joomla 2.0 they are going to modify the db. More power to them for that, but from what I have seen in 1.5 don’t plan on making a move to quickly. I have tried 1.0.X and I think it performs wonderfully, but it has it short comings. Those short comings do not deter me from using joomla or recommending it to someone. It really is means that it is based on the situation.  
 
 
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12/9/2007 1:12 PM
 

Hi All,

What a thread......!!

DNN is more than a CMS, it is a web app. framework.... It provides services for more rapid and robust solution development .

My background is .NET..... Novice .NET and I want a platform to provide solutions quickly. I see DNN as a speedup for this. In the best case scenario I could put together a portal with existing modules etc, however if I need to provide custom functionality then I can focus my .NET effort on module development ie a minApp which I find attractive. I did start looking at some DB centric 3rd party modules since many of my solutions will be DB centric, but with what I have seen I believe I will be better off developing my own DB modules in VS2005. Other professional DNN solution providers tend to do this rather than make big use of 3rd party modules. Yes you do have to invest the time and work out how to speed up the process using templates, code generation etc., but it may well be very worthwhile... Hopefully I will be able to leverage all the nice functionality from ASP.NET user control list.

However........ there are clients who want to port on Linux..... and it would be great for me to be able to leverage my efforts onto Linux. My current strategy is to use C#/ASP.NET2 and then develop for Linux using Mono when needed.... BUT DNN cannot be ported via the Mono route as I understand it .... I have posted seperately on this..... and I think this is an issue since in reality there needs to be a Linux deployment mechanism for DNN. Yes I know about the Mainsoft GrassHopper research...   It will be interesting to see what happens here, as I believe it is really important to make DNN apps available on Linux....  Would this cause the DNN project political problems with Microsoft??? I hope not....

Speed.... Whatever platform is used then it is vital that it zips along..... Sometimes I feel DNN sites can be a bit gludgy and this can comprimise the end user experience. I have been posting on Precompilation abilities of DNN and there are issues that need sorting here.... all for the good when it happens.... I know a lot of work has happened with performance tuning like caching, compression etc..... but I think if one could native compile more readily then this would help.... (Nina - thanks for your posts on this.....)

I have seen the posts about Nina on this thread.... All I can say is that I am very grateful to her for repling very fully to my queries. Please keep the good work up Nina.......Thanks.

A big thank you to all for their efforts,

Sam

P.s With no suitable DNN port to Linux it could be that I end up using Joomla(or whatever.. Plone perhaps...) for Linux apps and DNN for Windows..... which I passionately hope will not be necessary....  ... For DB centric apps one cannot lose sight of the Rails project.... So DNN team.... Good luck with the Linux evaluation works.... looking forward to hearing the news..... Thanks for all the effort....

 
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12/9/2007 2:47 PM
 

Benjamin Hermann wrote

Also in my eyes when discussing about portals and frameworks, people shouldn’t forget about the target group. Joomla is a nice, quick (,…) cms. However it’s NOT a web app framework. In my opinion, DNN fits to a much bigger target group; however it can be more difficult to start dealing with it. So, as we say in German, comparing DNN and Joomla is like “comparing apples and pears” (comparing apples and oranges).

I think you are spot-on here, sir, with the exception of the "bigger target group" line of reasoning.

I have now learned and would agree that DNN is, in fact, a web application framework for those who are skilled in developing web applications and extending the current core; however, I think the population of people, like me, who merely want a quick, simply, and powerful way to replace Dreamweaver and other html packages in an effort to build content and data-driven websites is larger than the population of .net web application framework building programming extending technical people. :)

I think the appeal of Joomla is the polished platform that has been extended so far to meet the demands of the non- web application builders without the costs associated of doing so in DNN (My wife is not fond of Snowcovered anymore).

As I mentioned in another post, I finally took the plunge to compare the two while I was unable to post to these forums and during the weeks of problems with the DNN site. I had it installed in mere minutes, to include the installation of WAMP (and never did it before)...and was able to create a strict XHTML site with some basic functionality in about an hour with the first hour of the text drive.  It took me a month and a dozen posts to get help aligning the arrows of my registration page that are still not working properly in DNN.

So again, I think you are spot-on.  One platform seems to be for the more technically inclined, while the other's target audience if for the general population without the requisite skills needed to extended the platform on their own, Given that I stopped programming after my BASIC and Apple IIe days, well, as you also say in Germany, Mann muss was Mann kann.  I am now taking a couple months off here and enjoying learning a new approach.

I would be interested in hearing the DNN guys chime in with what their vision was/is and what they want to be when they grow up. Perhaps they are developing for a certain segment of the market and now trying to appeal to the general population of less technical people. But it does appear to be a platform designed by architects for architects, per se.

Now don't get me wrong: I do love the DNN premise and the ease of creating web applications, even for layman like me. I love the drop-and-drag modular approach and all the intuitive settings and the like. The platform is amazing and arguably way more powerful than Joomla and some of the other CMSs out there; but again, only when you are a devloper.  Otherwise, the power that you seek comes with a serious pricetag for non-technical people. And with all the problems of the DNN forums lately, opportunity costs are also starting to be a factor for some.

 

 
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