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8/19/2008 7:47 PM
 

I've done a lot of forum reading lately because I have wanted answers as to how to make software work. And so I am going to take the horn by the bull and tell you why forums are worthless.

First of all, they are not written in gramatically correct English. Sorry, Charlie, pigeon English doesn't cut it. And so both the questions and the responses are cryptic or ambiguous or worthless. Take your pick.

Questions should be written so responders understand the question. This means you have to furnish documentation. You have to identify the form where the problem occurred; you have to say exactly what you wrote; you have to say exactly how you got there. You have to identify alternatives you have tried and that don't work and you have to suggest alternatives. Yes, I know it takes time to  write the background for the question. But look how long it takes to finally get an answer. Tell the whole story in the  beginning and save yourself calendar time. The questions indicate the writers, including myself, have no idea how all this internet programming actually works. Which ought to give the responders a clue as to how to write a response.

When you read the answers, it's pretty obvious the background to the question wasn't given adequately. It's also pretty obvious that some responders are simply responding off the top of their heads and many haven't the vaguest idea of how to solve the problem. The key  point, for those who are qualified to answer the question, is they have to leave their techie language behind and write in plain old fashioned English. The hard point to comprehend is the response is not an opportunity to show off how smart you are; it is a time  to communicate the answer to the problem. And so it has to be written in plain, old fashioned grammically correct English with no technical words. You have to tell the questioner how to click through and fill  out forms to solve the problem. That's something he canunderstand. 

Yes, I know. You really didn't want to hear this. But until the writers of the software want to step up and respond and as long as they let us users, who really don't have their knowledge, respond, us users got to learn to do it right. How do you like that for good English?

 

 
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8/19/2008 8:39 PM
 

This would be true, if this were a commercial product, and if the forum were provided as the customer support solution for the product. Neither is the case here so the assessment really isn't accurate at all.

In fact, the forum and the support provided by English and non-English speakers makes it by far the most important and valuable communications and support tool here. The real shocker, as you've noted in your post, is that by this November the forum will have been in place for an entire year with very serious usability issues. If this were a commercial product then it would deserve to fail... but it ain't, so whilst I personallt appreciate the points made, be prepared to take some flack.

I'm also very seldom offended, but the comment about 'Charlie' is quite simply racist.

Rob

 
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8/19/2008 11:11 PM
 

I am Vietnamese, also a part of this community, and offended by the word "Charlie".


Cuong Dang
Co-founder: Enliven, dnnGallery
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8/20/2008 1:21 AM
 

Cuong-

I could be wrong but I think the "Sorry Charlie" the poster may be referring to is more of an age thing.

The poster could be using the phrase made poplular by the fish in the old Starkist tuna commercial  - where the fish's name is Charlie and get's told by the announcer "Sorry Charlie only the best tuna get to be Starkist".  It was a pretty poplular phrase years ago - kind of like "Where's the beef?"

Then again I could just be really old and not have the slightest clue what I'm talking about.

I hope I'm right because it would be way un-cool for language like that to be used in this forum.

P.S. Bonus points if you can remember when that commercial aired - had to be 60's or 70's

 

 
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8/20/2008 1:25 AM
 

"Sorry Charlie" is a phrase from an old StarKist tuna commercial, it is not meant to be offensive, you two may not know this reference so lighten up.

Read this.

By the way, notice that I am non-white and in my 20+ years career in IT have endured crap from white, black, and yellow alike.

Therefore, where's the beef???

Carlos

 

 
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